Comments on: Genocide & Julie Bindel

By: Marriage, Obama, and the Election, or Why I’m not upset over prop 8 « Taking Up Too Much Space

Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:18:15 +0000

[...] when we know he’s going to use it for transphobic ends, without any accountability…and we’ve never seen this [...]

By: drakyn

drakyn — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 02:36:35 +0000

Hey, fyi, Julie has quoted a few of these comments and referenced your post Cedar! Don't you feel special? She also still refuses to admit that she has called for genocide.

By: Cedar

Cedar — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:07:08 +0000

Batty,

Thanks for pointing that out. You’re totally right, and I’m still processing that.

By: Battybattybats

Battybattybats — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:48:50 +0000

With a number of countries demanding sterilisation as a requirment for recognising Transgender people properly, according them basic rights and essential services…

and if being transgender is genetic or genetics is a factor…

Then such a policy is also genocide. Literally a policy of Eugenics.

Forced and coerced sterilisation is a recognised Human Rights Abuse. Cultural genocide is too.

By: Cedar

Cedar — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:58:29 +0000

I feel like I should say I feel uneasy about direct comparison to the struggles of POC, Nazis, etc. I want to make this argument on its own, because it operates very differently than other historical forms of genocide–it’s neither worse, not as bad as, nor equally bad as other world/national events. An attempt to exterminate should be self-evidently bad if the people bearing the characteristic being exterminated aren’t the primary ones calling for it, unanimously.

Also, when comparisons between oppressions are made, they should be of a mind to further discourse about *both* oppressions, rather than using one as a teaching tool/lab rat/etc for the other. We know about this from queer theorists and medical theorists and Middlesex–let’s not do it ourselves.

By: Paula Thomas

Paula Thomas — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:45:53 +0000

Yes a powerful piece.

Now two rhetorical questions:

What would Stonewall’s reaction have been had a BME group nominated Ayatollah Khomeini as Politician of the Year.

Would Stonewall accept Ernst Rohm* for nomination in a new Historical Figure category.

*gay man who was deputy leader of the Nazi party until the Night of the Long Knives in which he was murdered.

By: Michael

Michael — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:12:25 +0000

Agreed that this is powerful.

As for the moron on Facebook that Lisa Harney referenced, and her response to that, I need only point to a famous George Bernard Shaw quote: ‘The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.’

(Ignore the understood masculine there; a product of its time, dontcha know.)

By: Mireille

Mireille — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:30:31 +0000

That makes lots of sense. Rather than try to get society to see people as people, better to remove any abnormality in the womb. The world would be much better if we were all the same!

And this is a great article. Thank you for this.

By: algormortis

algormortis — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:28:17 +0000

oh no, i’m sure she has her precious one token transsexual friend (who you *know* she refers to as a “tranny”) who is okay. the rest of y’all can, you know, cease to exist. that way it’s not “genocide” but simply “academic discourse.” then you make sure to claim that trans people all hate lesbians as part of the argument for demonizing…

oh wait the end result’s the same. never mind.

By: sable

sable — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:40:50 +0000

And people who makes these sorts of statements make them without ever thinking, “What if I applied this same statement to, say, people of color?”

*sigh*