Comments on: “Biological” http://takesupspace.wordpress.com/2008/10/03/biological/ trans misogyny, feminism, and trans activism Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:02:25 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Why I use “cis” « Bi-Furious! http://takesupspace.wordpress.com/2008/10/03/biological/#comment-1344 Why I use “cis” « Bi-Furious! Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:00:33 +0000 http://takesupspace.wordpress.com/?p=292#comment-1344 [...] female undermines his maleness. (And besides, how did you know? Have you looked at his genes?) And, as Cedar points out at Taking Up Too Much Space, describing bodies as male or female based on biology also requires picking and choosing among the [...] [...] female undermines his maleness. (And besides, how did you know? Have you looked at his genes?) And, as Cedar points out at Taking Up Too Much Space, describing bodies as male or female based on biology also requires picking and choosing among the [...]

]]> By: Objectivity & Authenticity: “(Fe)male bodied”/”(Fe)male identified” (Language Politics) « Taking Up Too Much Space http://takesupspace.wordpress.com/2008/10/03/biological/#comment-1205 Objectivity & Authenticity: “(Fe)male bodied”/”(Fe)male identified” (Language Politics) « Taking Up Too Much Space Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:35:32 +0000 http://takesupspace.wordpress.com/?p=292#comment-1205 [...] of the problems with “(fe)male bodied” would be pretty apparent from my post about “biological”, but I think that it’s worth discussing here specifically in its contrast to “(fe)male [...] [...] of the problems with “(fe)male bodied” would be pretty apparent from my post about “biological”, but I think that it’s worth discussing here specifically in its contrast to “(fe)male [...]

]]> By: Cedar http://takesupspace.wordpress.com/2008/10/03/biological/#comment-274 Cedar Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:22:37 +0000 http://takesupspace.wordpress.com/?p=292#comment-274 Ettina, Sorry it took me a while to approve your comment! oops. You're likely right; it's not a claim I have a lot of knowledge to back up or context for. BUT, it's a parenthetical for a reason--it's really a side note for my overall point in that section, which I want to make without appropriating intersex experience/bodies/lives/oppression/etc. Even if chromosomes were 100% as reliable as we think they are as evidence, it wouldn't change the picture of "which biology?". Ettina,

Sorry it took me a while to approve your comment! oops.

You’re likely right; it’s not a claim I have a lot of knowledge to back up or context for.

BUT, it’s a parenthetical for a reason–it’s really a side note for my overall point in that section, which I want to make without appropriating intersex experience/bodies/lives/oppression/etc. Even if chromosomes were 100% as reliable as we think they are as evidence, it wouldn’t change the picture of “which biology?”.

]]> By: shiva http://takesupspace.wordpress.com/2008/10/03/biological/#comment-273 shiva Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:29:52 +0000 http://takesupspace.wordpress.com/?p=292#comment-273 BTW, dunno if you do silly/memey things like blog awards, but i passed this on to you: <a href="http://biodiverseresistance.blogspot.com/2008/10/blog-love-computer-hate.html" rel="nofollow">Blog Love</a> BTW, dunno if you do silly/memey things like blog awards, but i passed this on to you: Blog Love

]]> By: shiva http://takesupspace.wordpress.com/2008/10/03/biological/#comment-272 shiva Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:08:10 +0000 http://takesupspace.wordpress.com/?p=292#comment-272 Er... yes, but that's in particular cells or tissues and not "globally". The way Cedar phrased it, it sounded like someone's whole karyotype could change during their lifetime. Maybe that actually is possible, i don't know. It's pretty far from what's taught in mainstream biology courses, tho... if they're hiding something as big as that (which i truly believe they could and would hide, given how tainted mainstream science teaching is with gender and other bigotry), then that's Pretty Fucking Scary. Er… yes, but that’s in particular cells or tissues and not “globally”. The way Cedar phrased it, it sounded like someone’s whole karyotype could change during their lifetime.

Maybe that actually is possible, i don’t know. It’s pretty far from what’s taught in mainstream biology courses, tho… if they’re hiding something as big as that (which i truly believe they could and would hide, given how tainted mainstream science teaching is with gender and other bigotry), then that’s Pretty Fucking Scary.

]]> By: Ettina http://takesupspace.wordpress.com/2008/10/03/biological/#comment-271 Ettina Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:58:37 +0000 http://takesupspace.wordpress.com/?p=292#comment-271 Most people (or all) have very low-level mosaicism, but one chromosomal type is present in 99.999% (whatever decimal point) percentage of cells. That predominant type is generally assumed, for simplicity's sake and because it determines the most about the person, to be their sole type, and individuals are only considered mosaic if more than a certain percentage of their cells are not the same as most of their cells are (eg, if someone had about 70% normal cells and 30% with trisomy 21, they'd be said to have mosaic Down Syndrome). You can gain new chromosome anomalies in a small percentage of cells (as in cancer) but your overall chromosomal constitution, in the majority of cells, doesn't change very much. In high-level mosaicism the percentages can change a bit, but both major types will generally remain present. So, when you're looking at the whole person rather than a few cells, it's most practical to say that a person's chromosomal constitution can't change. Most people (or all) have very low-level mosaicism, but one chromosomal type is present in 99.999% (whatever decimal point) percentage of cells. That predominant type is generally assumed, for simplicity’s sake and because it determines the most about the person, to be their sole type, and individuals are only considered mosaic if more than a certain percentage of their cells are not the same as most of their cells are (eg, if someone had about 70% normal cells and 30% with trisomy 21, they’d be said to have mosaic Down Syndrome).
You can gain new chromosome anomalies in a small percentage of cells (as in cancer) but your overall chromosomal constitution, in the majority of cells, doesn’t change very much. In high-level mosaicism the percentages can change a bit, but both major types will generally remain present.
So, when you’re looking at the whole person rather than a few cells, it’s most practical to say that a person’s chromosomal constitution can’t change.

]]> By: Sarah http://takesupspace.wordpress.com/2008/10/03/biological/#comment-270 Sarah Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:54:01 +0000 http://takesupspace.wordpress.com/?p=292#comment-270 @Shiva >Really? An individual’s chromosomes can change during that individual’s lifetime? Hello Shiva Ever heard of cancer? Sarah @Shiva

>Really? An individual’s chromosomes can change during that individual’s lifetime?

Hello Shiva

Ever heard of cancer?

Sarah

]]> By: Cedar http://takesupspace.wordpress.com/2008/10/03/biological/#comment-269 Cedar Mon, 06 Oct 2008 00:45:32 +0000 http://takesupspace.wordpress.com/?p=292#comment-269 Lucy, Which reference to Julia Serano's writing are you speaking of? Lucy,

Which reference to Julia Serano’s writing are you speaking of?

]]> By: Cedar http://takesupspace.wordpress.com/2008/10/03/biological/#comment-268 Cedar Mon, 06 Oct 2008 00:44:02 +0000 http://takesupspace.wordpress.com/?p=292#comment-268 I'm kinda confused, Butch Boo. Is there anything in particular? I’m kinda confused, Butch Boo. Is there anything in particular?

]]> By: Bucth Boo http://takesupspace.wordpress.com/2008/10/03/biological/#comment-267 Bucth Boo Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:49:37 +0000 http://takesupspace.wordpress.com/?p=292#comment-267 Heavy stuff!! Come visit me- for some light relief! Heavy stuff!! Come visit me- for some light relief!

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